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Making Healthcare Work for You (MHWFY) is a mission-driven online talk show that’s shifting the healthcare conversation to love, hope, inspiration, and real solutions. Stephanie Feals & Dr. Apurv Gupta host conversations with an elite group of leaders who are solving healthcare’s most complex challenges. MHWFY shines a light on leaders’ personal dedication, unique perspectives, and empowering solutions through unscripted, authentic conversations. The show helps educate people and connect the dots to drive healthcare transformation. Guests & audience members are the people shaping the future of healthcare - from those working on the front line, to those creating the technology, to those driving policy change in government.
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Tuesday Mar 18, 2025
Tuesday Mar 18, 2025
For three decades, both Phil Koopman and Steve Wilson have been working in AI. They joined us on Making AI Work for You for a conversation about health tech safety and security.
With exceptional backgrounds and unparalleled experience, they share their perspectives on:
- Why cybersecurity is an “arms race”
- How safety standards differ from machine learning testing
- The considerations about the level of agency you give an AI system
- Why there needs to be a human “captain of the ship”
- Struggles with the software supply chain
- Why it’s critical to have rigorous engineering processes
Phil is an associate professor at Carnegie Mellon University, is the originator of UL 4600, and has been working on self-driving cars for 30 years.
Steve is CPO of Exabeam, is an author, a member of the TTIC, and is an expert in machine learning, LLMs, and cybersecurity. He’s been working in AI since 1992.
Topical time codes:
1:47 - Phil - The importance of humans in autonomous technology
5:10 - Phil - You need a captain of the ship for safety
7:04 - Steve - Agentic systems
11:09 - Steve - Software supply chains
15:39 - Phil - The challenge of making sure software is safe
17:54 - Phil - Testing doesn’t prove safety
20:27 - Phil - The purpose & value of UL 4600
23:06 - Phil - You can’t wait until something is on fire to put out the fire
24:16 - Steve - Culture of the Product environment
25:27 - Steve - Need for focus around safety and security for good decisions
26:07 - Phil - In embedded AI, there are real people on the other side
27:36 - Steve - Cybersecurity is an arms race
29:38 - Phil - People short-cut safety when they’re in a rush
Connect with Phil Koopman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philip-koopman-0631a4116/
Learn more about UL 4600: https://ulse.org/ul-standards-engagement/autonomous-vehicle-technology
Connect with Steve Wilson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wilsonsd/
Learn more about Exabeam: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exabeam/
Connect with Sherri Douville: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sdouville/
Learn more about TTIC: https://medium.com/@news_52674/about
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